Two Afghan girls, one making an attempt to flee and the opposite to remain, describe the state of affairs of ladies in Afghanistan… Which one is telling the reality?

Afghanistan has many very important issues. One of the essential – for my part, a very powerful – is the ladies’s concern.

Women haven’t been capable of proceed their training past main college because the Taliban got here to energy final yr. If this ban continues, a era later, girls will likely be left in full darkness, for instance, there will likely be no feminine docs within the nation – which suggests leaving girls to die. Due to this fact, prohibiting the training of women is a crucial concern.

It is not simply him. Many ladies misplaced their jobs with the regime change and had been despatched residence. Ladies had been banned from working besides in areas comparable to well being, security and repair, the place girls needed to be handled, and 1000’s of ladies needed to say goodbye to their careers in the private and non-private sectors.

Throughout our keep in Afghanistan, I attempted to get along with girls and provides them a microphone, however it isn’t straightforward. They’re justifiably frightened to talk to the cameras, making their criticism behind closed doorways. As a matter of truth, it’s identified what occurred within the protests.

Final yr, once I went with my cameraman good friend Özgür Balaban, we interviewed a younger girl who was a high-ranking state official within the outdated regime. She hid her face and identify, she, however had agreed to talk in my resort room with out being seen by anybody.

I have been involved with him over the previous yr. At first he was very frightened about his life. The Taliban had been after him and names like him. She modified homes each 1.5 months, by no means went out, her husband solely went out to the road, protecting his face for important wants.

Earlier than I’m going to Kabul, I stated that I might come once more, that I needed to fulfill. He agreed, on the situation that he be in my resort room once more, not revealing his identify or exhibiting his face. He was nonetheless afraid, however I discovered him slightly extra relieved than final yr. At the very least they weren’t continuously altering homes anymore, they had been dwelling with their mom. He got here to the assembly together with his stunning 3-year-old daughter. “I’ve to go for my daughter, there isn’t a future for her or me on this nation,” he stated, as he was on his solution to Pakistan every week after this interview aired. They are going to attempt to cross the border by highway. I stated I might pray for him. Now, whereas I’m writing this text, I consider it, seven days later, he’ll hit the highway together with his life and household that he packed in a suitcase, he’ll attempt to cross to Pakistan and attain the USA from there…

However, I met the Bridesmaid in the identical Afghanistan. Do not ask what his final identify is, he does not say it. “I am a Bridesmaid from Afghanistan,” she says. A Canadian citizen is an Afghan, a Pashtun, and comes from some of the conservative areas. She says she works for the empowerment of Afghan girls. The one Pashtun girl ever arrested. Her household is in Canada, she says she returned to Afghanistan to struggle for her nation and desires to dwell right here for the remainder of her life.

The bridesmaid is single, has no youngsters, and lives in her residence in Kabul, which can be the headquarters of the non-governmental basis she manages. The Taliban don’t even enable single girls and boys to stroll aspect by aspect, however there are sturdy, working girls like Bridesmaids who go overseas. The quantity doesn’t exceed three or 5, however there’s. The Taliban don’t contact him. This was very stunning to me. Perhaps there’s an settlement between them, I do not know… I believe two of the secrets and techniques are to not criticize the Taliban and to have a western passport. Perhaps elevating funds from overseas… These are my impressions…

Now I go away you alone with these two girls who inform very totally different Afghanistan from one another…

His name and face;  Former government official.

Former authorities official who hid his identify and face.

1) FORMER SENIOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL HIDDEN FOR A YEAR: “IF IT GOES SO, THERE WILL BE NO FUTURE FOR WOMEN IN AFGHANISTAN”

– It is good to see you once more. Once we met final yr, you stated your life was at risk. You had been continuously altering homes. Has there been any change since then?

Welcome to Kabul. There have been some adjustments since final yr. The brand new regime may be very busy with financial issues, there are explosions and assaults, they’re targeted on them. That is why they do not take care of girls, folks like me, who labored within the state within the earlier regime.

– However you continue to cannot work, are you able to?

No, I’m unemployed. I keep at residence, I strive to not exit as a lot as doable. Once I exit, I put on a masks to keep away from being acknowledged, I do not speak to anybody and I by no means say my identify.

– Do they nonetheless comply with names such as you? Are they arresting?

There are totally different opinions on this. We do not wish to arrest these contained in the Taliban, a few of whom labored with the outdated regime, they are saying we do not comply with them anymore, however there are nonetheless many pro-arrest names. We hear of some prime names being arrested and gone. There are those that haven’t been heard from.

– Are you saying there are executions?

I am unable to say for certain, however there are sensations. There are those that haven’t been heard from. There are severe restrictions on social media and information, we can’t get wholesome info. We hear that a few of my senior names are lacking in custody.

– There are these scary tales, however generally, I noticed a partial aid in folks – together with you – in comparison with final yr. Do you assume the Taliban have modified? Or are they making an attempt to make folks look totally different?

I believe human nature doesn’t change. All the pieces appears extra regular to you as a result of folks get used to it. Most people you see are supporters of the brand new regime or relations of the Taliban. Those that did not wish to go are already gone, and those that cannot go like me are hiding. In fact, the Taliban wish to present their good face. That is the one means cash comes from the world, solely then are the frozen reserves launched. Since Kabul is seen, it’s extra average right here, however elsewhere the state of affairs may be very totally different.

– Do you see a future right here? Are you contemplating staying?

No means! I am nonetheless younger, I wish to save my future. I’ve a daughter, she deserves a very good future. I do not wish to keep right here, there will likely be no future right here if it goes like this. Ladies in Afghanistan don’t have any future. They even closed colleges. They are saying that ladies ought to solely be taught to learn and write, then not learn. Women can now not select departments comparable to financial system, enterprise, journalism. It is a male system, a male nation.

Afghanistan's most famous  Bridesmaid from women's activists.

Bridesmaid, one among Afghanistan’s most well-known feminine activists.

2) ACTIVIST BRIDES THAT PROVIDES JOBS TO WOMEN: “GIRLS’ EDUCATION IS OF course IMPORTANT, BUT LET’S FOCUS ON FOOD AND CLOTHING FIRST”

– It is good to fulfill a robust girl such as you in Afghanistan. What are you making an attempt to inform folks right here?

Two issues: resilience and forgiveness. We’d like these two. We should go away the previous behind and look forward. The best way to progress is to forgive, now we should give attention to options. We’ve got been killed for 20 years, now let’s think about remedy. Individuals had been injured, girls, youngsters suffered terribly.

– Yeah, talking of ladies, I am slightly confused. On the one hand, a Taliban that doesn’t run aspect by aspect with a person who is just not associated, however, a Taliban that enables girls such as you who can converse alone…

It depends upon the way you converse. I converse for humanity, I converse for widows and orphans, those that have misplaced their jobs want monetary help. Commerce must be promoted.

I am making an attempt to attract the world’s consideration to the lifting of sanctions. Individuals have been killed for 21 years, and now they may starve to loss of life at this fee. In lower than a month, winter will come. Afghanistan may be very chilly in winter. There have been earthquakes in some locations, homes had been destroyed. We must always give attention to fundamental wants comparable to clothes and shelter.

– What about the correct to training that has been taken away from ladies? Are you combating for it too?

Schooling is after all crucial, a few of the personal colleges are nonetheless open, and universities are additionally. I give attention to getting everybody sufficient meals first. Youngsters primarily want meals and clothes. In fact, let’s struggle for the training of women, however this concern is used as a weapon in opposition to saving folks’s lives right here. The training of Afghan girls is essential, however I believe that the main focus needs to be on crafts and hand abilities. For instance, I work with 100 girls, they sew garments, now it is the saffron choosing season, after all, training is essential, however first, let’s get properly, empathize and eliminate labels. Labels dehumanize us, make folks numb to us.

– Many ladies have been dismissed from their jobs in Afghanistan, however you might be nonetheless at work. How come you retain going however numerous girls cannot? What is the line there?

I believe you had been stunned to see me due to what I used to be informed. Many individuals are shocked to fulfill me in the identical means, however I do know many ladies who work in Afghanistan, work in non-governmental organizations, or are academics, nurses, docs…

The world solely appears to be like at one aspect of the story and doesn’t help girls like me who can attain 1000’s of ladies. Nevertheless, there’s a reality like me. In case you’re speaking about girls’s empowerment, come and empower girls like me.

– You’ve gotten a Canadian passport, when 1000’s of individuals left the nation final yr, you might simply go away, why did you keep?

Operating away is just not an answer. What occurred for 21 years is previously. Let’s look to the longer term now. I take care of the meals of 10000 households within the countryside. I went to South Africa and defined the state of affairs of my nation.

My household left the nation when the Russians got here. I believe they need to have stayed. I encourage younger Afghans. I’ve an enormous fan base right here. Individuals take me for example. It doesn’t matter what occurs in life, we should maintain transferring ahead. We should give folks hope.

– Is not it scary to dwell in Afghanistan as a girl working alone?

No, that is my home. Everyone seems to be my brother. Concern creates destruction, I am making an attempt to beat concern. I’ve to proceed.